This conversation is concerned with continuing the efforts of many disciplines to notice, think, imagine, and describe the landscape co-created by humans and other than human beings, while trying to comprehend how pandemics are intimately connected with agribusiness. The notion of “landscape” here takes the question beyond the relations of humans and animals or plants, emphasizing that the environment as produced by these relations are implicated and intimate zones. The idea of “multispecies” here aims to take into account the many microorganisms and materialities that constitute such environments: pathogens, blood, carcasses, technologies, forests, cities, bodily fluids etc.

The Anthropocene is becoming more and more the preferred term in the sciences, humanities, arts, and the news media to talk about the transformation of the climate regime of the Earth. We will talk about the current climate transition taking into account the tensions between this multifarious event that is the intrusion of Gaia in the lifeways of all living beings and the Anthropocene as a narrative that could become hegemonic, telling the story of the “anthropos” that went too far.

In this conversation, we discuss a series of historical events connected to the Earth from a political and religious perspective. Starting with social movements like the one that led to the Canudos War, as well as current and past tupi-guarani forms of prophetism, we approach this connection to the Earth with perspectives that cannot be reduced to a “purely social” dimension due to their eminent spirituality. We take into account the ways through which spirituality becomes political and a form of resistance, as it supports stances against the State.